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I agree that consciousness is also top-down. But I think your “twinned brain” would be conscious, though perhaps differently (can sense brain waves!)Yes, I agree from the retrospective view of consciousness (where we consider consciousness after the fact of its existence) we might imagine that anything that functions like a brain could or should be conscious. Functionally there is no reason to expect that it would be though. The computations of such a twinned brain could be carried out by a trillion separate people with pencils and paper and cell phones talking to each other without any kind of collective sense arising, at least from a purely functionalist-prospective (i.e. naive logical) view. If we don’t assume the a priori possibility of higher consciousness, it makes sense that all brain wave computations could be expressed as mathematical abstractions, devoid of any signifying content.
We have not seen any indication that complex computational systems such as the internet are becoming proto-conscious by themselves, nor does it feel intuitively like any such thing is about to happen.
This response may have awakened me to the fact that I may have functionalist tendencies as far as consciousness goes. I don’t know why… I suppose that a broad theme in the history of science is “specialness” being knocked off it’s high horse. No, the earth is not the centre, etc. This applies here:
It’s not a brain, but it can react just like one. So, what makes a brain special enough to claim consciousness? (where a computer, or a network of a trillion humans can’t)?
I actually think that a network of a trillion humans cooperating piecemeal in some sort of joint effort might be conscious! We may not have seen any signs of proto consciousness in the internet. But does an individual neuron see the signs of consciousness in us?? I’d say no… it merely coexists in a community with it’s neighbours. It never notices that we are thinking about philosophy of mind! If anything, it might notice it’s neighbors changing behaviour, but why would it take this as a sign that it is comprising part of an emergent conscious network?
With that in mind, how would we ever know if the internet (now or in a future state) became conscious? My submitting this post could be a tiny pebble in the rockfall of some strange qualia that can only be experienced by the sort of thing the internet has become.
To me, these ideas are exciting!


![Is This Boulder Free?
I’ve been thinking about free will lately. People have been “content to agonize” over free will for such a long time because there is a lot of tension in the idea. On the one hand, the idea of free will doesn’t seem to stand up to close examination. Every good philosopher I know either rejects it outright, or changes the definition before accepting it. On the other hand, we can’t help referring to free will in real life. We mean something by it, and it’s tied up with our notion of responsibility.
So here I am still thinking about it!
I think it’s true that there’s some overlap or confusion between the notions of Free, and Unimpeded, and this is what got me thinking about the Boulder…
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Caused, but Unimpeded
Cause, or Influence is also tied up with our notion of what is free. The boulder in the picture above is certainly caused/influenced by the little man pushing it. When it eventually rolls down the slope/off the cliff, we can say that the man caused it to do that.
However, it’s also unimpeded. A brick wall in front of the boulder would be an impediment… it would not be free to roll off the cliff.
I think this situation applies to physical freedom quite often, and what we mean when we describe things as “free to do X”. In common parlance, one can’t deny the truth of “I’m free to drink coffee in the morning”. I’m not saying there’s no cause when I drink coffee. I likely have a mild caffeine addiction. I’ve watched a zillion commercials of people going “sip… ah!” Some collection of things causes me to drink coffee on a particular day.
When we say “I’m free to drink coffee”, I think what we really mean is that I’m unimpeded. Coffee isn’t illegal, or unavailable. No crazy person is watching me and keeping me out of Starbucks. I’m free to drink it.
But Wait, What Makes an “Impediment”?
The brick wall or the crazy person are obviously impediments (to the boulder, and to my drinking coffee respectively). But it gets more complicated. For instance, is my mild caffeine addiction an impediment to my freedom NOT to drink coffee?
Or how about this… the boulder may be free to roll off the cliff, but is the little man an impediment to the boulder rolling right, back down the hill? Is gravity an impediment to the boulder floating straight upward?
It seems like impediments and causes can be mixed up with one another. That makes it problematic to say that physically free things can have causes, but no impediments.
Have What You Like… As Long As It’s Coffee!
So the boulder is free to roll off the cliff, but not back down the hill, and not to float up into the air… it’s free to do exactly one thing.
Given my past conditioning and current mood, I’m free to drink some coffee. My tastes impede me from drinking tea or grapefruit juice, and my addiction impedes me from skipping the beverage all together. I’m free to choose, as long as I choose coffee.
Is this what we mean by freedom? If we can only say “free to do X” for one specific X in any given situation, this seems to violate the spirit of the word “free”. In fact, we might define freedom in general as the state of being free to do more than one thing!
I think this might be how some philosophers have been led to secrecy being important to freedom. In reality, we may have only one choice, but with so many causal factors being secret, we’re ignorant of which “one thing” it is that we’re free to do! Is this a good substitute for what we usually mean by freedom?
To be continued…](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9xhlosrgq1rugavko1_400.png)



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